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Marc Debolt's avatar

Appreciate your content on many counts.

Note that the only real 'vax issue' is not really about autism, or characters like Mccarthy, or even so-called anti-vaxxers. If you decline an epidural are you now a dangerous science-denying anti-epiduralist? The space is riddled with bad actors, but just think about how insane it is, that that is the level the discourse on this topic is at.

The real issue has to do with informed consent and infringing upon individuals in the name of collectivist ideals. This manipulative and abusive behavior that would never otherwise be tolerated in just about any other context is justified and encouraged from a place of fear and cultish group-think - not anything remotely resembling science or data.

It's completely upside down to gaslight someone who would rather not take a particular medical product/intervention as being anti-anything, as opposed to simply respecting their choice as would be expected anywhere else.

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AnnMarie R's avatar

Great article. I would add that patients have personal experience, how the treatment affects outcome. Stories with multiple logical breakdowns just don’t stick.

My story : All my life I’ve been wondering what made me fat, why siblings and family were lean or only slightly overweight. Why me ? Why do I only gain, never lose ? We all ate the same (in our case, the difference was that I got near constant antibiotics treatments for many years after moving to a damp and dusty new brick house at age 2). I mean, why could hungry cavemen run instead of die. So, i thought of fasting. Why is it so bad, why are we alive today ? What is the effect of creation of supermarkets, and : if fat is stored for when food gets scarce, why am I hungry the day after a feast, etc. We eat ‘natural’. Something in there does not sit right with me but what ? Why does mom still want me to eat when I’m not hungry ? I won’t die between breakfast and noon. Why do I have friends at school who eat during every break, eat double my ration at lunch and they’re lean ? Why, why, why ?

I’ve lost a total of +-185 kg in my life time (64 now). Every time, after 24-30 kg, I would put on +- 17 kg in a matter of weeks, still religiously sticking to low calorie, severe hormonal mess, metabolism plummeted. Organs close to shutting down. 3 times, and doctors knew ! None of that low calorie Ever made any sense to me (grandpa was lean and he had a pan of bacon each morning !) but I still believed doctors and ‘science’ so I went along with it until I decided enough was enough. No longer. If the treatment of sports accidents had the same success rate as that of obesity, there would be general outcry ! I was completely done with weight loss, unless the story changed. It did.

With your ‘Etiology of Obesity’ for the first time I heard a narrative that matches my experience. I’ve lost 89 kg since, with relative ease.

Patients do think. Patients do have experience. Patients do listen to older generations. Mainstream doctors just avoid thinking for themselves. Same thing in many domains. People just do as they’re told.

Thank you dr. Fung. You are not only a great clinician, but your ethics too are top class. Respect.

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